On Foreign Policy, Libertarians, and the Social Compact

  • I consider myself a conservative-libertarian (small 'c' and 'l'), but I am always amazed how some, not all, Libertarians are both intellectually shallow and arrogant. When pushed they start spouting "natural rights" (or some even have the presumption to call upon the "Golden Rule"), but what the hell is that?

    Jefferson said "natural right" was the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Genghis Khan said "man's greatest good fortune is to ride into battle and defeat your enemy, take his ponies and his possessions, rape his women, burn his cities to ashes, and ride off to the sounds of his women weeping and wailing in despair". Which one is it?

    Without the context of a social compact which creates a society inclusive of individuals but apart from them, which Libertarians seem to reject as anti-individualist, Genghis Khan's ideas seem to historically win out. Only with a social compact 
    that accepts and protects individual liberties do we see Jeffersonian concepts of "natural rights" prevail. In the absence of such a social compact we have usually lived in either a "state of nature" that is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short", or in a state of outright tyranny. Without the individual protections contained within a social compact there can simply be no individual liberty as we have been taught to understand it.

     

    In regards to foreign policy there simply is no social compact, and as such we should not expect Libertarian ideals of "natural rights" to prevail. How can this be so difficult for Libertarians to see?

     

     

Comments

6 comments
  • Doug Walters
    Doug Walters I haven't quite grasped the gospel of libertarianism. Maybe somebody will enlighten me one day. The only thing I hear from libertarians now is that Ron Paul is our only hope for salvation. I am not buying into that philosophy.
    February 19 - 2 like this
  • Cyrano Bergerac
    Cyrano Bergerac Don't even get me started with Ron Paul, and more significantly his followers. Like I said, I consider myself a libertarian with a small 'L', but the Libertarian Party has been hijacked, IMHO.
    February 19 - 2 like this
  • James Merikan
    James Merikan Doug, the first thing you should do is read the Constitution of the United States in it's entirety, but remember that only the first ten amendments are part of the original Constitution. That is the basis of the Libertarian philosophy. The Republican plat...  more
    February 19 - 1 likes this
  • Christopher Bayes
    Christopher Bayes Valid points James. I would add that the Founding Fathers devised a system that enabled the Constitution to be "interpreted" by the Supreme Court and as such has been rewritten time and time again. The opinions of the court have taken the words ...  more
    February 23 - 2 like this
  • Cyrano Bergerac
    Cyrano Bergerac @James, I think it is always dangerous to presume that someone who disagrees with you on some point is simply ignorant, and needs to read a bit more. It is kind of you to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with you simply should go read the Constitutio...  more
    February 24
  • Cyrano Bergerac
    Cyrano Bergerac @Christopher. I sadly must concur that a 100 years of "reinterpreting" the Constitution using verbal gymastics has turned it into a document that is barely recognizable to what the Founders intended. I do believe the Founders intended for the Co...  more
    February 24 - 1 likes this